Very well said, and I agree with you 100%. We are much alike in that regard.Ed2 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 26, 2025 6:30 pm From all I've read about torture - a lot over decades - real torture sessions were grimy and brutal with fists and domination rape being the primary tools. Medieval torture chambers were ghastly, dank, filthy, the stench of excrement overwhelming. As mentioned, most religion-based tortures did not feature nudity. The vast majority of victims were older, uglier, fatter, and male. NOT erotic at all. Although, while rare exceptions, there likely were some men in positions of power able to indulge their sadistic lusts, whether set in medieval, Inquisition, Nazi, Stasi, Chilian secret police, etc. events. Believing they could exist gives free rein to imagination.
Fortunately for me, there is fantasy which provides me with lurid settings and reasons for the torment, the ability to just ignore the smells and foulness I don't like, beautiful young women with sexy bodies, and any endurance to the torment I choose to give them. The same categories, (Nazi, Inquisition) provide specific fantasy frameworks recognized by the community as individual sadism sub-genres. Over time many, many authors and artists fleshed out tropes that fit the different ones.
I must throw in with yyy2 here, give me a working Star Trek holodeck and I'd die a worn out but happy man. What's funny to me is that, I personally, am a very gentle man, the last fist I threw in anger was 5th grade. Yet my fantasies are incredibly vicious and sexual. Frankly, I don't want realism. I prefer art to photos depicting the cruelty I imagine, things I would eagerly do in a holodeck or see illustrated through CGI, I couldn't watch if it was a real girl.
Fantasy vs Real Torture in Prison and Interrogation
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