Customs chatter (all producers)

[Floor13]

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That Mari one was my custom. Alas she just pulled a silly face and wobbled her head a bit, despite me showing a clip of that and saying don't do it. And gave a clip of how she should act. Also, you'll see no leather cuffs on her ankles, despite me specifying. And her pose is asymmetrical (not her fault). Having her arms and legs at different heights and angles just doesn't do it for me. The ropes were not the same length so she's uneven.

I also said have a knife threatening bit at the start. 60 seconds max. Feels like 10 minutes. So all that suspension time lost.

Just another example of ignoring what is asked for.

Sometimes I do wonder if Alex can open and view some of the files we send to him.
I had kind of a similar experience in that I sent him a short gif on “groping” which I wanted incorporated. It seemed to be ignored.
I mean there was groping but he did it “his way”. Either that or the actress specified how/where she could be groped.

Sometimes I just have to remember that I’m just one of the clients. Not the client.

Usually it turns out “okay”. There was one instance where the ties just didn’t come out the way I wanted to. I went back and forth with White Rose, and actually ventured that I’d pay for a re-shoot with the stricter bondage. But to White Rose’ credit, in the end she really didn’t think the actress (Waldberg) could do it to my satisfaction.
So I could see some of the difficulties (and Wahlberg is not as flexible as Cry), so we left it at that.

Here is some of the "guidance" I provided, after they had shot and I was unhappy with the product. To give them credit, they did come up with a shorter spreader...

WB_elbow tie1_cw short spreader_w-ties_txt.jpg


To Wahlberg's credit, I think she emoted well, and looked good. It just didn't look like "torture".


The shorter spreader, perfect for arms/elbows straight up and down:

cw_shortspreader1.jpg

It isn't just them, it is the majority of custom producers.
PKF used to take their time and give you what you wanted BUT cost a LOT more...
(That said, they still needed to sell their films, so you still can't get an overweight model or a MILF... THeir idea of MILF is non-descript 30 year old with a belly piercing).

That example you sent above, they made that? I'll have to have a look. THat is a nasty position if I'm reading it right, rope pulling through the elbow joint as the only point of suspension? Ouch (And I weigh nothing.)


I do have some behind-the-scenes stuff of Alex telling Tay how to scream, and playing the example from his laptop. And (I don't speak russian, but I can read the body language and expressions) she said angrily "I am!" and stuck her tongue out behind his back. Clearly she wasn't... I mean... no. So he definetly tried back in the day. Now he does one a day and sleeps 3 hours a night... So...

I know what you mean "one of the clients." I agree, but I hate to be more of a Karen than usual, as far as my bank account is concerned, I am THE ONE AND ONLY client.


THere was a scene where boiling water is poured over Theresa.
There wasn't much water in the kettle, so the whole pouring asthetic was lost as he had to hold it up 'too high' to get the water out. Does that make sense? And the editor chose a camera angle where you don't really see the pour. And the reaction from having boiling water poured over her head was "Ugh, I think I forgot to lock the door."

It is basically fast food. Yes, it is technically food. It is calories and legally it is food. But it does not have the asthetic you were after (which was the whole reason for requesting it in the first place).


I had a custom at MFX made. 3 girls, chewing and spitting food into the mouth of their slave.
1) THey chose to film outside. I hate outdoor shoots. Crap lighting (THe sun will provide!), exterior noise, flies.
2) I specified spaghetti bolognaise, and showed pictures of how it should look. THey used the cooked pasta and ignored the sauce.

I know it is all First-World-Problems, but it just takes its toll on my bank account and my spirit. I work with men and women recovering from cancer and other injuries trying to mitigate scars, and some plastic surgery. FLogging the puke out of my partner when I get home mitigates some of that, as does her beating the piss out of me sometimes. Sometimes getting the custom is also the answer. And then you unwrap your gift and it's not a PS5 (Is that still the thing? Switch 2?), but it's a Sega Megadrive (Coudn't think of a better example, I'm PC master race).



Alex is shooting Saturday. Sent a brief message this morning to hammer home 1 tiny thing that I didn't emphasize enough in my original over-the-top explanations. That one will kind of be on me. I stupidly thought they would assume what I meant, and looking back "WHAT THE HELL WAS I THINKING!?!?"

[yyy02]

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It isn't just them, it is the majority of custom producers.
PKF used to take their time and give you what you wanted BUT cost a LOT more...


That example you sent above, they made that? I'll have to have a look. THat is a nasty position if I'm reading it right, rope pulling through the elbow joint as the only point of suspension? Ouch (And I weigh nothing.)
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Alex is shooting Saturday. Sent a brief message this morning to hammer home 1 tiny thing that I didn't emphasize enough in my original over-the-top explanations. That one will kind of be on me. I stupidly thought they would assume what I meant, and looking back "WHAT THE HELL WAS I THINKING!?!?"
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PKF used to take their time and give you what you wanted BUT cost a LOT more...
Yeah, like 10x more. Either that or they just gave me a figure that was way over what they normally charge to get rid of me. It worked.

That example you sent above, they made that?
Yes they made that spreader, the pic example was mine.
It wasn’t even suspension.
It was just trussed tight, with the securing ropes pulled through the crooks of the elbows and the knee joints. To hold her upright at first, stretched taut, then stretched taut supine in the second part.
Just to be clear, stretched taut is different than than stretched tight, in my estimation. Stretched taut means no loose ropes or bindings, or limbs.
The focus was supposed to be her naked torso. Just, you know, something a little bit different.

So initially, I got this…

I tried to understand, that every model has her limits, and they’re all different, and continuously changing.
I figured: try and approximate some of the positions by myself... do-able, I thought. And Wahlberg is a healthy young woman, right, so … but, no.
“lost in translation”? White Rose and I communicated fairly extensively about this, so even barring the communication difficulties…Like you, I figure that images should illustrate exactly what I’m after, right?

Anyway, thanks for sharing your thoughts, always welcome. Your candor always shines through.

TL:DR I share your frustration. But I keep going back to the well, in the hopes... (At least while funds allow)

TBH, Alex' dungeon, with the multitude of implements on the wall, sort of reminds me of an "Adult" store, like on Sunset Blvd in Hollywood (at least back in the day), or in Van Nuys, in the Valley.

[dmon]

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That Mari one was my custom. Alas she just pulled a silly face and wobbled her head a bit, despite me showing a clip of that and saying don't do it. And gave a clip of how she should act. Also, you'll see no leather cuffs on her ankles, despite me specifying. And her pose is asymmetrical (not her fault). Having her arms and legs at different heights and angles just doesn't do it for me. The ropes were not the same length so she's uneven.

I also said have a knife threatening bit at the start. 60 seconds max. Feels like 10 minutes. So all that suspension time lost.

Just another example of ignoring what is asked for.

Sometimes I do wonder if Alex can open and view some of the files we send to him.
I had kind of a similar experience in that I sent him a short gif on “groping” which I wanted incorporated. It seemed to be ignored.
I mean there was groping but he did it “his way”. Either that or the actress specified how/where she could be groped.

Sometimes I just have to remember that I’m just one of the clients. Not the client.

Usually it turns out “okay”. There was one instance where the ties just didn’t come out the way I wanted to. I went back and forth with White Rose, and actually ventured that I’d pay for a re-shoot with the stricter bondage. But to White Rose’ credit, in the end she really didn’t think the actress (Waldberg) could do it to my satisfaction.
So I could see some of the difficulties (and Wahlberg is not as flexible as Cry), so we left it at that.

Here is some of the "guidance" I provided, after they had shot and I was unhappy with the product. To give them credit, they did come up with a shorter spreader...

WB_elbow tie1_cw short spreader_w-ties_txt.jpg


To Wahlberg's credit, I think she emoted well, and looked good. It just didn't look like "torture".


The shorter spreader, perfect for arms/elbows straight up and down:

cw_shortspreader1.jpg

It isn't just them, it is the majority of custom producers.
PKF used to take their time and give you what you wanted BUT cost a LOT more...
(That said, they still needed to sell their films, so you still can't get an overweight model or a MILF... THeir idea of MILF is non-descript 30 year old with a belly piercing).

That example you sent above, they made that? I'll have to have a look. THat is a nasty position if I'm reading it right, rope pulling through the elbow joint as the only point of suspension? Ouch (And I weigh nothing.)


I do have some behind-the-scenes stuff of Alex telling Tay how to scream, and playing the example from his laptop. And (I don't speak russian, but I can read the body language and expressions) she said angrily "I am!" and stuck her tongue out behind his back. Clearly she wasn't... I mean... no. So he definetly tried back in the day. Now he does one a day and sleeps 3 hours a night... So...

I know what you mean "one of the clients." I agree, but I hate to be more of a Karen than usual, as far as my bank account is concerned, I am THE ONE AND ONLY client.


THere was a scene where boiling water is poured over Theresa.
There wasn't much water in the kettle, so the whole pouring asthetic was lost as he had to hold it up 'too high' to get the water out. Does that make sense? And the editor chose a camera angle where you don't really see the pour. And the reaction from having boiling water poured over her head was "Ugh, I think I forgot to lock the door."

It is basically fast food. Yes, it is technically food. It is calories and legally it is food. But it does not have the asthetic you were after (which was the whole reason for requesting it in the first place).


I had a custom at MFX made. 3 girls, chewing and spitting food into the mouth of their slave.
1) THey chose to film outside. I hate outdoor shoots. Crap lighting (THe sun will provide!), exterior noise, flies.
2) I specified spaghetti bolognaise, and showed pictures of how it should look. THey used the cooked pasta and ignored the sauce.

I know it is all First-World-Problems, but it just takes its toll on my bank account and my spirit. I work with men and women recovering from cancer and other injuries trying to mitigate scars, and some plastic surgery. FLogging the puke out of my partner when I get home mitigates some of that, as does her beating the piss out of me sometimes. Sometimes getting the custom is also the answer. And then you unwrap your gift and it's not a PS5 (Is that still the thing? Switch 2?), but it's a Sega Megadrive (Coudn't think of a better example, I'm PC master race).



Alex is shooting Saturday. Sent a brief message this morning to hammer home 1 tiny thing that I didn't emphasize enough in my original over-the-top explanations. That one will kind of be on me. I stupidly thought they would assume what I meant, and looking back "WHAT THE HELL WAS I THINKING!?!?"

Getting a Sega Megadrive instead of a Switch 2 is a blessing.

[skullchaser]

If anyone ever orders a legit spreadeagle suspension video with her in it I’d be eternally grateful

I've done 3 customs with that position:
1. Demonica in a Dr. Squalus experiment to test stress on the human body in space;
2. Wahlberg taking an Advanced Memory Test;
3. Moth taking an Advanced Memory Test.

But what inspired me was Cry in "The Suffering Innocent Girl 4". Give a look on 911 Productions and see if its still available.

It helps if you write in a rest break in the script. For Demonica's Space Test, her break came from Dr. Squalus checking her heart rate and then some antics from Teresa, then suspension and more Dr. Squalus exam while suspended, and then down, examined, dialogue, and up again. Rinse and repeat a few times until Demonica "passes out". It was tolerable for the actor and still believable. I particularly like the detail that Demonica added that, just before Dr. Squalus raised the button to raise her up, Demonica got slightly more worried, so there was an escalation to the action.

[skullchaser]

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• The importance of straight arms and straight knees during AoH and Suspension. Don't claim she is suspended when her arms are bent.

• The importance of seeing feet NOT touching the ground in suspension.

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This cropped image was taken from an image originally posted by skullchaser. In this image Waldberg is beautifully suspended spreadeagle in Cruel Worlds dungeon or “execution room”.
Her ankles are attached to a spreader bar, and you can tell she is in genuine suspension, hanging from her wrists, with her feet off the floor. She hangs, probably not longer than a few seconds in this shot, but it is oh so gorgeous.

I'm glad you like my ideas! Waldberg actually has several suspension scenes in the Advanced Memory Test, including suspended while being spanked. Moth is taking the Advanced Memory Test on Friday, so hopefully I'll have some screenshots of her suffering to share over the weekend.

As promised, some screenshots taken from the raw footage I received on Saturday (pretty fast response for something shot Friday night).

I've found that I get the best results in a suspension scene if the suspension only lasts less than 25 seconds. Most people can hang that long. After that, bad things start to happen, so I use suspension as the sauce to the punishment dish; suspended and electrocuted, suspended and spanked. Then let down for more dialogue to give the actor a rest. That sort of thing.

[MasterKav]

911...35_sc_Screenshot 2025-09-05 163438_cr2a.jpg


This cropped image was taken from an image originally posted by skullchaser. In this image Waldberg is beautifully suspended spreadeagle in Cruel Worlds dungeon or “execution room”.
Her ankles are attached to a spreader bar, and you can tell she is in genuine suspension, hanging from her wrists, with her feet off the floor. She hangs, probably not longer than a few seconds in this shot, but it is oh so gorgeous.

I'm glad you like my ideas! Waldberg actually has several suspension scenes in the Advanced Memory Test, including suspended while being spanked. Moth is taking the Advanced Memory Test on Friday, so hopefully I'll have some screenshots of her suffering to share over the weekend.

As promised, some screenshots taken from the raw footage I received on Saturday (pretty fast response for something shot Friday night).

I've found that I get the best results in a suspension scene if the suspension only lasts less than 25 seconds. Most people can hang that long. After that, bad things start to happen, so I use suspension as the sauce to the punishment dish; suspended and electrocuted, suspended and spanked. Then let down for more dialogue to give the actor a rest. That sort of thing.

Exceptional dungeon fodder!

[MasterKav]

If anyone ever orders a legit spreadeagle suspension video with her in it I’d be eternally grateful

I've done 3 customs with that position:
1. Demonica in a Dr. Squalus experiment to test stress on the human body in space;
2. Wahlberg taking an Advanced Memory Test;
3. Moth taking an Advanced Memory Test.

But what inspired me was Cry in "The Suffering Innocent Girl 4". Give a look on 911 Productions and see if its still available.

It helps if you write in a rest break in the script. For Demonica's Space Test, her break came from Dr. Squalus checking her heart rate and then some antics from Teresa, then suspension and more Dr. Squalus exam while suspended, and then down, examined, dialogue, and up again. Rinse and repeat a few times until Demonica "passes out". It was tolerable for the actor and still believable. I particularly like the detail that Demonica added that, just before Dr. Squalus raised the button to raise her up, Demonica got slightly more worried, so there was an escalation to the action.

Great Ribs!


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[Floor13]

Sigh.
Came back from an exhausting weekend (not in a good way). 3 hours sleep, 2 nights in a row, so already very tired and emotional.
Looked at a few clips that I was sent of a new film.

Had a little cry.

I'm just done.

[martbill]

Sigh.
Came back from an exhausting weekend (not in a good way). 3 hours sleep, 2 nights in a row, so already very tired and emotional.
Looked at a few clips that I was sent of a new film.

Had a little cry.

I'm just done.

Are you referring to the Lara Croft custom featuring Elsa? Purchased it last night and thought the first two suspension positions in particular were absolutely amazing, especially in the Lara Croft outfit, although her reactions to the electric shocks were a little odd. Just wondering if the video is what you were hoping for?

[Floor13]

Sigh.
Came back from an exhausting weekend (not in a good way). 3 hours sleep, 2 nights in a row, so already very tired and emotional.
Looked at a few clips that I was sent of a new film.

Had a little cry.

I'm just done.

Are you referring to the Lara Croft custom featuring Elsa? Purchased it last night and thought the first two suspension positions in particular were absolutely amazing, especially in the Lara Croft outfit, although her reactions to the electric shocks were a little odd. Just wondering if the video is what you were hoping for?

Yes, that was part 1 I guess. I didn't know it was up for sale already. And no, it wasn't what I asked for, not by a long way.

0) No sweat/oil. Couldn't have been more clear, cover her in sweat, dripping off every inch of her body. But she's dry as a bone.
1) I paid Elsa $50 to buy the green top and the thigh-holsters.
2) There was supposed to be a scene where she is running in the woods, so we actually see her as Lara Croft. That part is nowhere to be seen. Then she is marched along, hands cuffed behind her back, eyes and mouth taped. Nope. Then left kneeling in a cell, struggling to breathe though the tape. Nope, missing.
So I paid $50 for them to immedietly take off the holsters.

3) She was supposed to be unable to open her mouth, and couldn't scream. So wanted a gutteral noise as she could barely breathe. But the mic appears to have picked up the winding of the shock device instead of her noises. Also half the time she didn't react at all.

4) Worst of all, after they stripped her, they were supposed to put clamps on her nipples, and leave her hanging for 10 minutes, getting random shocks from the device. Theresa sits there watching and rubbing herself. NONE OF THAT IS THERE. She gets a couple of shocks, then the scene ends. I just couldn't believe they had left out most of the scene.

5) Then she is hanging spread-eagle. Sigh. Her arms are uneven heights, it just looks weird. I know how hard it is to hang unevenly, and I weigh nothing, and I make damn sure it is an even suspension. I begged them, and made it clear, it must be an even hang to look good. And even worse, she keeps twisting her body sideways. And bending her knees. It just drives me mad, I made it so clear. ANd then the tape is hanging off her mouth, and they didn't re-stick it, after I made it clear how important the tight wrap was.

Speaking of tape:
6) I told them to use grey/silver tape. Alex asked if I wanted a black background, I said yes. THen I see they used black tape, against a black background, so you lose all the effect of the painfully tight wrap.

Like I said, it just brought me to tears with frustration. The time I spent making it clear. Showing exaclty what she should do with her body, the noises. And 80% is not there on the screen.


Have they released the bit with her tied to a pole?
I cannot understand what the hell they were doing, and how it relates to the Elise Graves clip I showed them. Also, the clips are not on her nipples, but on the metal ring that is held on with string. STRING! not a piece of wire, or a leather cord. Just a ratty piece of string.


THe 4th scene is good however, she gets sliced up with a straight razer. Her arms are in the wrong postion, so we don't get a muscle flex I showed them the angle, they ignored). I told them to either use a tall posture collar, or wrap a belt many time around her neck, so it is all the way up. "Sure, no problem" they say. Instead we get a thin belt around her neck (Actually it looks OK, pulling her neck back... But, still wasn't what I asked for).

ELsa does zero body acting in this scene, so no muscle flex or hand movements, or body movement. Just sits there. They use the drill only twice. Told them to drill her whole body. Stab her only once I think, again, told them multiple. Don't recall any face cutting or lip cutting (I only swipped through).

Told them to just do a non-stop cutting and stabbing and drilling. Instead we get a dozen. Showed them what she should look like, covered in blood. INstead we see a few lines of too bright blood. THen she is strangled, and of course, her tongue comes out at the end, despite me telling them every time NOT TO DO THE STUPID TOUNGE when strangled (Why is that a thing? Your tounge doesn't stick out when you're strangled. Where does this even come from?)

$550 for a few minutes of good stuff, and a bunch of missing stuff.

I know I sent them a complicated script, and I know how tall Elsa is and what she probably weighs. But, and I got them to confirm all the suspension stuff twice each in seperate emails, they said yes no problem. Yet here I am again, bitching about them not just copying what I gave them.

It's the frustration and wasted time that gets me the most. Do they just take the money and do whatever? Or do they really think they have delivered? I honestly think it is the latter, so it just boggles my mind.



Also, it's taken me this long to realize about her tattoo. It is covering an 18inch scar down the front of her chest/stomach, and she has a scared naval. Never saw it before due to the camera quality and lighting. Alex changed it for this film to get a different look.