Electro Torture

[Electric City]

Regarding Electric City films.

1) Before I tried photography I had been in a few softcore and hardcore lesbian photoshoots for magazines. I also modelled underwear such as training bras for pre-teens and teens (while I was 18). My body and face looked like I was 12 until I was about 22. I thought photography and filming was SOOOOOOOOO easy, you just point the camera while girls like me did the hard work of putting my tongue in the other girl's butt. Then one of the photographers offered me the chance to take a few pictures as the set was being rearranged for a new shoot. I thanked her and took some pictures of my 'friend' They were all utter UTTER crap.

It is bloody hard work, and a lot of experience, to capture the 'right' look that brings a scene to life. I do NOT have that talent, so I have sympathy with anyone trying and learning.


2) My partner and I have VERY specific tastes about what we want to see in torture videos. It is clear from discussions on these forums and others that we all have different tastes and so it is difficult for any video producer to meet those requirements.

I'm saying all this as a preface to hopefully soften any criticism.
I’ve bought almost all the films, I find your advertising very effective… I just don’t think the films live up to the advertising BUT THAT IS PARTIALLY DUE TO MY TASTES!!!!


Electric City Pros:
1) I LOVE the look of their films. That is the primary reason we buy them. The single light source and the VHS effects. We both REALLY enjoy that aspect. In many ways they look real. They remind me of when I turned 18 and finally bought some ‘good’ stuff, under-the-counter, it looked like this. First VHS, then VHS-transfer-to-DVD. The quality was crap, the stuff was real, it was fantastic. To me, it really creates the atmosphere of what I imagine a place like that to be.

2) The women usually look like they have been there a long time. Again, we like that aspect of a prolonged torture over many days, rather than a 20 minute torture where she dies.

3) Nipple torture. Again, I LOVE nipple torture. I prefer having my nipples tortured that my vagina. Alas, my partner enjoys torturing my vagina. Luckily she enjoys having her nipples tortured. All my Cruel World customs revolve around nipple shocking. I just prefer this in real life and so that is where my money goes. Having a couple of alligator-clips on my labia is NOT that good, it is too localized and doesn’t do it for me. More surface area is needed for it to be effective for me, and that doesn’t really look good on film (Doesn’t have the same brutality as a jump-leads).

4) Some recent films show the actress body arching when she is shocked. Very nice. Much better than just wobbling around. The recent one where she's standing against the metal-fence... Looked great, but was missing something.

5) Again, we LOVE the look of your films. Making everything bright and clear will ruin the asthetic.


Electric City Cons:

1) Static camera.

2) The cutaway to the torturer cranking up the voltage is good. BUT when you just reverse the footage for turning the voltage down, it is obvious.

3) I haven’t worked out if you have 2 models or only 1. The covering of one woman’s tattoos with bandages/blood is getting very obvious. I understand the need for her anonymity.

4) Face covering and cheap wigs. AGAIN I completely understand the actress wanted to stay anonymous. But those wigs look very cheap. Can a brutal blindfold system or hood that leaves their mouth/nose/jaw exposed be used?

5) The restraints are often bad. It often looks like a chain wrapped around her ankle that she can easily escape.

6) The dubbed screams… I like my woman to scream. I like to scream, to force it out. It centers me, it helps me in the roleplay. But the quality of the dubbed screams that you use is not good. They were clearly recorded in a completely different room, and just don’t match the scene. BUT!!!!!!!!!!!! I would rather have those screams than the bad fake high-pitched scream of a bad actress. It seems that no matter how many times I’ve told actresses, models, partners to scream properly from their stomach, using their lungs, they always seem to just say “Ahh!” in their throat. So I can understand why you use fake screams, but please change the quality.

7) NOT ENOUGH SWEAT!!!!!!!!!!! I want to see the sweat pouring off their bodies after thrashing around for so long!!!

8) Not enough heavy breathing after the shocks. Want to see her ragged and hanging there, trying desperately to breathe before the next shocks.

9) When the shocks/burns are localized, she just stands there and takes it. She doesn’t flinch away or really react.

10) The beatings with rope etc do not work for me. Just looks like you are dragging it over her skin. I think you need to fake it Hollywood style, stand further back, swing and miss and have her react, dub a sound effect. I requested a custom from PKF years ago where the spy is punched to a bloody pulp. Every single punch looked real thanks to the camera angle http://www.deadsexyclips.com/0000279/de ... -1849.html


My preferences:
As I said above, everyone has preferences. But:
1) Screams, not silence. I don’t understand the people that request customs where the woman is tortured and she is silent. Electricity fucking hurts when you do it right, and that is for roleplay and pushing limits. This is supposed to be for extracting information, I don’t understand the people that request the silence (just turn your volume down?).

2) Muscles locking not just wobbling around like a jelly. Again, my electro preferences are for her body to lock, muscles flex, body arch. You have begun to do that recently which is good.

3) More positions, more restraints. Parrot perch maybe? “Proper” spread-eagle? i.e. legs and arms stretched as far apart as possible, can’t move her legs and arms. Restrained over a bench doggy style. Extreme hog-tie, watch her thrashing around on the floor as she’s shocked. Restrained to a heavy chair with straps so she cannot move:- She usually looks like she is perched on a stool.

4) Mouth torture: Get some metal inside her mouth and shock it.

5) Get some heavy breathing between shocks.

Thanks for such a great inspiration! We will follow these advices on the next videos!

[petelobo]

I agree that the look of the video with single light source is part of their appeal, but my point (as someone who has done photography and video professionally) is WHERE you put the camera is the key. Perhaps Floor13 likes shadows, but when the body arches and throws all the good bits into darkness, that's just bad. Just moving the light relative to the model further forward and perhaps a bit higher would make a huge difference in visibility.

I assume the static camera is an issue of manpower. One person can work the camera or be the torturer (and double as the guy who throws the switch), but doing all those things, probably not. Cruel World solves it by using several static cameras for each set-up, but that's expensive. And it requires that the film be edited more than just sticking some b-roll onto the front of the video.

I find the torturer largely unnecessary and rather frustrating, since he just says the same thing over and over, menaces with gun, drill, etc. for a second and frequently gets in the way. If you do Point-of-View, where the watcher is the torturer, then the one person working with the model can run the camera. A hand-held camera (like a $400 GoPro) has image stabilization, so you don't get the shaky, jumpy look, but you can move in and back and change angles quite easily. Or you can use a tripod, but move it between shots.

My biggest suggestion, that would come with some scripting, is that you add some pace and build to the story. Instead of telling us with cards how long the torture has gone on and how destroyed the girl is--and then showing the same shots in the same position and the same background, same marks, same expression, same action--SHOW the effects. Start with her in one situation and film it. Then move to another, add an element of torture, change the marks on her body and the amount of sweat and film that. Then maybe do a third. 6 minutes of actual action in a new set-up times 3 shootings will still give you 20 minutes but 20 minutes of full action without cut-aways and story cards and the torturer getting into it. I cut down your videos to the "money scenes" and usually get 5-6 minutes of material (generally quite repetitive---and sometimes even copied from a previous film--for each 20 minute video.

I agree that a true spread-eagle is a great position. A lying AOH (arms overhead) with legs raised in a V is another great one. I have seen "pussy" shots in your videos--gynecological close-ups usually or when pissing is involved. If your model is not opposed to positions where her pussy is actually exposed, put a clamp on it and show from that angle as well as from others focusing more on the breasts. But show her proceeding through different tortures. I've seen one of your vids with a girl lying on a table.

I agree with Floor13 about the sound issues. I assume you are shooting MOS (without sound) to simplify and then dubbing the sound track, which is why the screams and "dialog" are always the same. But if you get rid of the torturer as a physical character and have that person run the camera, I would record with sound as almost any decent video camera can do now. The girl's voice is very important--singing and dancing are major elements of the best torture porn. She doesn't need to speak english. Cruel World's actresses (and the torturer) speak in Russian. I don't understand the words, but I understand the communication. The torturer behind the camera could still speak, but the important part would be to have the model adding something beyond silence and screams. Pleading for him to stop, perhaps getting angry and telling him to kill her (why would she want to stay alive?), him teasing her, her babbling incoherently after she's really suffered, crying, etc. Actually imagine how she would respond to what is being done to her.

All of this could be done with what you have. None of this would necessarily change the warm look of your single-source lighting without color correction. Just change your way of working a bit and use some creativity.

I keep hoping that Mark Evans might chime in with some of his thoughts--or others--here, just in case Electric City is open to new ideas.

[wulf]

Regarding Electric City films.

1) Before I tried photography I had been in a few softcore and hardcore lesbian photoshoots for magazines. I also modelled underwear such as training bras for pre-teens and teens (while I was 18). My body and face looked like I was 12 until I was about 22. I thought photography and filming was SOOOOOOOOO easy, you just point the camera while girls like me did the hard work of putting my tongue in the other girl's butt. Then one of the photographers offered me the chance to take a few pictures as the set was being rearranged for a new shoot. I thanked her and took some pictures of my 'friend' They were all utter UTTER crap.

It is bloody hard work, and a lot of experience, to capture the 'right' look that brings a scene to life. I do NOT have that talent, so I have sympathy with anyone trying and learning.


2) My partner and I have VERY specific tastes about what we want to see in torture videos. It is clear from discussions on these forums and others that we all have different tastes and so it is difficult for any video producer to meet those requirements.

I'm saying all this as a preface to hopefully soften any criticism.
I’ve bought almost all the films, I find your advertising very effective… I just don’t think the films live up to the advertising BUT THAT IS PARTIALLY DUE TO MY TASTES!!!!


Electric City Pros:
1) I LOVE the look of their films. That is the primary reason we buy them. The single light source and the VHS effects. We both REALLY enjoy that aspect. In many ways they look real. They remind me of when I turned 18 and finally bought some ‘good’ stuff, under-the-counter, it looked like this. First VHS, then VHS-transfer-to-DVD. The quality was crap, the stuff was real, it was fantastic. To me, it really creates the atmosphere of what I imagine a place like that to be.

2) The women usually look like they have been there a long time. Again, we like that aspect of a prolonged torture over many days, rather than a 20 minute torture where she dies.

3) Nipple torture. Again, I LOVE nipple torture. I prefer having my nipples tortured that my vagina. Alas, my partner enjoys torturing my vagina. Luckily she enjoys having her nipples tortured. All my Cruel World customs revolve around nipple shocking. I just prefer this in real life and so that is where my money goes. Having a couple of alligator-clips on my labia is NOT that good, it is too localized and doesn’t do it for me. More surface area is needed for it to be effective for me, and that doesn’t really look good on film (Doesn’t have the same brutality as a jump-leads).

4) Some recent films show the actress body arching when she is shocked. Very nice. Much better than just wobbling around. The recent one where she's standing against the metal-fence... Looked great, but was missing something.

5) Again, we LOVE the look of your films. Making everything bright and clear will ruin the asthetic.


Electric City Cons:

1) Static camera.

2) The cutaway to the torturer cranking up the voltage is good. BUT when you just reverse the footage for turning the voltage down, it is obvious.

3) I haven’t worked out if you have 2 models or only 1. The covering of one woman’s tattoos with bandages/blood is getting very obvious. I understand the need for her anonymity.

4) Face covering and cheap wigs. AGAIN I completely understand the actress wanted to stay anonymous. But those wigs look very cheap. Can a brutal blindfold system or hood that leaves their mouth/nose/jaw exposed be used?

5) The restraints are often bad. It often looks like a chain wrapped around her ankle that she can easily escape.

6) The dubbed screams… I like my woman to scream. I like to scream, to force it out. It centers me, it helps me in the roleplay. But the quality of the dubbed screams that you use is not good. They were clearly recorded in a completely different room, and just don’t match the scene. BUT!!!!!!!!!!!! I would rather have those screams than the bad fake high-pitched scream of a bad actress. It seems that no matter how many times I’ve told actresses, models, partners to scream properly from their stomach, using their lungs, they always seem to just say “Ahh!” in their throat. So I can understand why you use fake screams, but please change the quality.

7) NOT ENOUGH SWEAT!!!!!!!!!!! I want to see the sweat pouring off their bodies after thrashing around for so long!!!

8) Not enough heavy breathing after the shocks. Want to see her ragged and hanging there, trying desperately to breathe before the next shocks.

9) When the shocks/burns are localized, she just stands there and takes it. She doesn’t flinch away or really react.

10) The beatings with rope etc do not work for me. Just looks like you are dragging it over her skin. I think you need to fake it Hollywood style, stand further back, swing and miss and have her react, dub a sound effect. I requested a custom from PKF years ago where the spy is punched to a bloody pulp. Every single punch looked real thanks to the camera angle http://www.deadsexyclips.com/0000279/de ... -1849.html


My preferences:
As I said above, everyone has preferences. But:
1) Screams, not silence. I don’t understand the people that request customs where the woman is tortured and she is silent. Electricity fucking hurts when you do it right, and that is for roleplay and pushing limits. This is supposed to be for extracting information, I don’t understand the people that request the silence (just turn your volume down?).

2) Muscles locking not just wobbling around like a jelly. Again, my electro preferences are for her body to lock, muscles flex, body arch. You have begun to do that recently which is good.

3) More positions, more restraints. Parrot perch maybe? “Proper” spread-eagle? i.e. legs and arms stretched as far apart as possible, can’t move her legs and arms. Restrained over a bench doggy style. Extreme hog-tie, watch her thrashing around on the floor as she’s shocked. Restrained to a heavy chair with straps so she cannot move:- She usually looks like she is perched on a stool.

4) Mouth torture: Get some metal inside her mouth and shock it.

5) Get some heavy breathing between shocks.

A great post, and very good constructive criticism. For my tastes, I agree with most of your critique, especially about the loose restraints. To me that is the underlying foundation that can ruin an otherwise good production. Take a little time to do the bondage right with ropes or straps.

[Navyrotor]

ELECTRO-TORTURE SCENE DONE RIGHT: There was a lot of discussion on the old board about how a victim responds to electric shock… all great dialogue, and I tend to agree with the idea that the body locks up and the victim goes largely silent during the the period of the shock… followed by shaking and quivering and whimpering afterwards. That important discussion notwithstanding, here are 10 things I like to see in a quality electro-torture scene (many of which fit ANY type of torture):

1) Give us a realistic scenario, and a build up to our GIMP’s first shock. We need to see her in abject fear, and helplessly bound while the torturer describes in detail what’s about to happen to her.

2) The bondage itself needs to be horrific in and of itself. Steel restraints are preferred, but whatever is used should be painful and secure.

3) Relatedly, stretch the bitch out. Spread-eagle, standing or on her back, but stretched to her limits either way.

4) Add to the suffering - be creative and sadistic for God’s sake. Secure the bitch to a rusty metal bedspring mattress, wet her down with freezing cold water, put a board behind her neck, wrap up her tits with zip ties, provide a super uncomfortable gag of some sort. This is torture, people, not making sure the victim has a ‘safe space.’

5) Electrocute her in the right places, and in ALL of the right places… the pussy, the tits, the ass, the mouth, the belly, the feet, the thighs. And mix it up so that she doesn’t know what’s coming next, or where.

6) Give her hope… and then take it away brutally. This can come from a loosening of her bonds, a soothing caress of her cheek, a gentle kiss on her panting and pleading mouth, stroking her hair. But then follow that up with a maximum jolt at every contact point, and add a hard slap across her face along with it.

7) Give her a break… but only to violate her sexually and brutally. And make sure that you shock her anal probe as you cum deep inside her, or across her pretty face. Then, use some of your cum, and hers, to add connectivity to her nipples, and to smear over her face before the next round of electro-horror.

8) Keep the camera angles varied, and the lighting up, so we see her jerking in her bonds and rattling the steel, then a closeup of her face twisted in agony, then her tits swaying as the electricity arcs into them, and the sweat, cum and tears glistening in the light.

9) Manage the pacing. We like to see a period of periodic, unexpected shocks; then a LONG period of relentless jolts that don’t seem to end and her eyes begin to reflect a sense of utter despair; then a period to soothe her and bring her some hope - that can then be crushed with extreme prejudice.

10) Finally, back to the buildup. Give us some time to get to know her. We want to feel something as she suffers… respect for her strength as a CIA agent, or disbelief for her naïveté as a young, innocent teen, or a desire to save her - knowing we can’t - as a Mom, colleague or spouse we can relate to.

[markevans]

Thanks for the mention petelobo.
Tonnes of great advice here. Just shows how interested in Electric City everybody is. There are some common tastes, while others differ - on the topic of lighting for example. One thing I would take away, is try different things! Electric City has enough material out there now, they can pick and choose from our advice on what to try next. One video isn't going to please everyone. But if each video has something to offer, then I think most can deal with not getting everything they want in every video, but hitting a jackpot once in a while.

Personally, I prefer clearer video with lots of sweat (with shine from the lighting to accent it, you have to get the angles just right:). A locked up tight body is a must when taking the current, this should also affect how she sounds - the noise should be squeezed from her body by the current, not voluntarily made. I also prefer longer still camera takes, most of them at a medium distance to get good portions of the subject with good detail. Far shots you don't see detail, and close up shots you don't see the whole picture.

Oh, and did I mention sweat? Aside from her acting, I think the best way to show how much the captive is enduring is how much sweat her body is pouring out.

Hope this helps. Keep it up Electric City. Very exciting to have you be a part of our conversation!!

[JohnH69]

ELECTRO-TORTURE SCENE DONE RIGHT: There was a lot of discussion on the old board about how a victim responds to electric shock… all great dialogue, and I tend to agree with the idea that the body locks up and the victim goes largely silent during the the period of the shock… followed by shaking and quivering and whimpering afterwards. That important discussion notwithstanding, here are 10 things I like to see in a quality electro-torture scene (many of which fit ANY type of torture):

1) Give us a realistic scenario, and a build up to our GIMP’s first shock. We need to see her in abject fear, and helplessly bound while the torturer describes in detail what’s about to happen to her.

2) The bondage itself needs to be horrific in and of itself. Steel restraints are preferred, but whatever is used should be painful and secure.

3) Relatedly, stretch the bitch out. Spread-eagle, standing or on her back, but stretched to her limits either way.

4) Add to the suffering - be creative and sadistic for God’s sake. Secure the bitch to a rusty metal bedspring mattress, wet her down with freezing cold water, put a board behind her neck, wrap up her tits with zip ties, provide a super uncomfortable gag of some sort. This is torture, people, not making sure the victim has a ‘safe space.’

5) Electrocute her in the right places, and in ALL of the right places… the pussy, the tits, the ass, the mouth, the belly, the feet, the thighs. And mix it up so that she doesn’t know what’s coming next, or where.

6) Give her hope… and then take it away brutally. This can come from a loosening of her bonds, a soothing caress of her cheek, a gentle kiss on her panting and pleading mouth, stroking her hair. But then follow that up with a maximum jolt at every contact point, and add a hard slap across her face along with it.

7) Give her a break… but only to violate her sexually and brutally. And make sure that you shock her anal probe as you cum deep inside her, or across her pretty face. Then, use some of your cum, and hers, to add connectivity to her nipples, and to smear over her face before the next round of electro-horror.

8) Keep the camera angles varied, and the lighting up, so we see her jerking in her bonds and rattling the steel, then a closeup of her face twisted in agony, then her tits swaying as the electricity arcs into them, and the sweat, cum and tears glistening in the light.

9) Manage the pacing. We like to see a period of periodic, unexpected shocks; then a LONG period of relentless jolts that don’t seem to end and her eyes begin to reflect a sense of utter despair; then a period to soothe her and bring her some hope - that can then be crushed with extreme prejudice.

10) Finally, back to the buildup. Give us some time to get to know her. We want to feel something as she suffers… respect for her strength as a CIA agent, or disbelief for her naïveté as a young, innocent teen, or a desire to save her - knowing we can’t - as a Mom, colleague or spouse we can relate to.

I can just agree with Navyrotor, especially 3), 5), 6) and 9). Nr 7) was very innovative, I like that! And, I agree with Floor13 in much as well, especially in the Desirée use of the parrot’s perch!

Keep up the good work!!

[yyy02]

If I could add some details to this great conversation.

Sweat. Yes, but don't add it to her all at once. I think it comes up pretty quickly, but maybe start with the victim dry and progressively add more sweat as the session progresses.

And don't forget the head! Sweat glands are on the scalp as well. And as you're adding sweat, don't forget it's a whole body thing. Lank, wet hair by the end of the session is to be expected.

Please tell your actresses that hands and feet are important as well. Hands clench or fingers are splayed wide under torture. It's a giveaway that the actresses aren't "suffering" if the hands and maybe feet are "dead".

Also, human bodies pull and twist away from painful stimuli, it's a natural reaction.

Last but not least, would love to get some shots of the limp victim passed out from torture when applicable. And truly limp, too, where she's hanging in her bonds. There's a noticeable difference, primarily in the arms. Something like this:

Thanks!

[Floor13]

Oooh, reading the posts after mine has gotten me quite hot and bothered, I must say.

Also that last pic yyy02, is that a Cruel World film? It's a very stimulating image. I will have to concentrate on that for a while later...

[Floor13]

Perhaps Floor13 likes shadows, but when the body arches and throws all the good bits into darkness, that's just bad. Just moving the light relative to the model further forward and perhaps a bit higher would make a huge difference in visibility.

A fair point, it might be that I just missed it when I edited bits together and didn't include that part.

I find the torturer largely unnecessary and rather frustrating,

Depends on their performance... Also the less I see of men the better (Unless he is facefucking her... I have no desire for rape scenes... But a brutal face fuck scene... Erm... really gets me wet )

I'm English I only speak English these days, so unless there is a well executed script, as you say the guy is somewhat unnecersary. However, a hot female torturer with a subtle smile as she enjoys the suffering...

If you do Point-of-View, where the watcher is the torturer, then the one person working with the model can run the camera. A hand-held camera (like a $400 GoPro) has image stabilization, so you don't get the shaky, jumpy look, but you can move in and back and change angles quite easily. Or you can use a tripod, but move it between shots.

The change in quality with a goPro would be noticable in that dark room, they need a lot of light (look at BrutalMaster, the quality drop off from the PoV is bad, then again he might be using an old one). To be fair in the recent one where she is chained to the fence-wire standing, there is a lot more angles and some hand shots etc, it's a huge improvement.

ALso I think that for me, PoV is only useful if we see the fear in her eyes... And the Electric City actress does not want to be recognised.

I tend to agree with the idea that the body locks up and the victim goes largely silent during the the period of the shock…

Yes! Looonnggg scream until she is out of air, then silent until nealy passing out, the shocking stops, she relaxes and is gasping.

But I also like the short shocks...







If we have no torturer present at all, and the buttons are pressed "off camera" then:

1) The actress needs no prompts (I can hear you grunting in the background to indicate that she must react... Very off putting!). Just tell the actress "Give me some LONG screams and heavy breathing, give me some short screams" etc, and the guy pressing the button or turning the dial can be edited in later.

2) That said, I do like to see some localized torture as she is terrified of her torturer coming closer holding the electrode or soldering iron, and she is trying to pull away.

[yyy02]

...is that a Cruel World film? It's a very stimulating image. I will have to concentrate on that for a while later...

Heh heh, yes it's from CW's ObstinateGirlStudent11, but with Emily Addison's head/hair and a few extra marks grafted on. Here is the original:

Maybe not that exact frame, but you get the idea. (Maybe I flipped it) The original actress is plenty fine, and sorry, I don't know her name. But she just didn't have that full "passed out from the torture" look I wanted.